In the wake of Season 4 premiering on Netflix, Collider had the opportunity to catch up with O’Toole via phone about her time on the series. From Vancouver, where O’Toole is currently filming Season 5, the actress spoke at length about why she had to largely take a step back from being in the third season (and the inventive way she was able to stay involved), how Hope’s accident has impacted the character in Season 4, and what it’s been like to work with Matheson as a scene partner. She also discussed Hope’s relationship with Muriel (Teryl Rothery), her memories of filming that garden moment between Hope and Lilly, the “big event” fans can expect in Season 5, and more.
Collider: I know that you participated from a distance for Season 3, but it was nice to see Hope still popping up. When did the conversation start about you returning full-time for Season 4? Or was that always an inevitability? Just waiting for certain real-life things to calm down?
So I think because of that, I just felt like, “Oh my God, if this virus is as bad as we think it’s going to be, I could get up there and not be able to get home.” I just couldn’t do it. I admired everybody who did come up here and take their lives in their hands, basically, then, to do the show. But I was so happy when they asked me to do some shows from home because I thought, “Oh, how will they do that?” That was the early, early days of the pandemic, so they couldn’t send a crew to my house. My daughter, Anna, who works in film production, came over with her cell phone, and we went all through the house, and we scouted locations in the house to do these calls. I was just really glad to be kept in the season at all.
When Season 4 happened and then there was a vaccine, and there were boosters, and there were masks, and everybody was aware, and there were flights going back and forth, and they were being so careful up here, I thought, “Okay, I’ll be able to do it.” Because it’s a five-month commitment once I’m here. I got to go back twice to see my mom and my husband got to come up, and he’s here now. It’s nice. It’s a lot easier to coordinate.
To your point, even though you weren’t able to physically be there, getting to participate from a distance and with your family involved, the personal story behind it almost makes it feel a little more special in a way.
Hope, in Season 4, is navigating the aftermath of her car accident and the physical consequences that have resulted from that. What were you looking forward to exploring, in terms of how this challenge brings out different aspects of the character that you hadn’t gotten to tap into yet?
O’TOOLE: Well, it really made her, whether she wanted to or not, slow down, because she just had to. Her balance is off. She has terrible headaches. She’s not being able to put words together the right way. She had no choice. She had to just take better care of herself and accept help from people. Even after her little heart attack in the first season, she wasn’t down for very long, and she went right back to her old ways, but this is a different thing. A heart attack’s pretty bad, but I don’t think her heart attack was as bad as it could have been. Thank goodness. But this was bad, and she is coming out of it pretty quickly for someone her age, for the type of injury it was. That’s because they want her to come back as much as she can, the producers and the Netflix people. I think they want that energy of her to come back, so that’s happening.
So I thought, “Listen, anything is possible, so I’m not going to put any kind of weight on [her]. [She] can be good sometimes. [She has] good and bad days.” It was a really wonderful acting exercise for me, for each scene and the way it was written and where it came in the season to get better. I loved it because it changed Hope in a really organic way that I couldn’t deny. I had to go with it.
O’TOOLE: Well, I’ve known Tim for over 40 years. I mean, I knew him socially before, and I had a boyfriend at the time who did a movie with him, and so I met Tim and he’s always been lovely. We’ve worked together a couple times before this, so it’s nice to have a relationship with an actor you’re playing, you’re a long-term couple with, so that all that work is done for you already. But it’s great.
Yes, it was hard for them because they have not been together, really, as a couple, for a very long time. They were a couple for maybe a year or two, and then this big rift happened and they were separated, but friendly, and just as they got back together, she goes off and then has to deal with her aunt and then comes back for Lilly and gets in this accident. So they haven’t figured out what their normal is as a couple, and so it’s weird. It’s like they’re having to redo something that was never really set up well, to begin with, or for very long.
So that’s really interesting to play, and the fact that they’re older people too. Everything about it is sort of different from what you normally get to play in these parts. If you’re playing a long-term couple, it’s usually, “Oh, the bloom is off the rose and how do we find our way back to when… “
One of the other dynamics I was pleasantly surprised by is seeing what happens with Hope and Muriel. Do you think Hope still considers Muriel a little bit of a rival, friendly or not? Or is she starting to come around more to the idea of friendship?
O’TOOLE: I don’t think she ever felt Muriel was a real rival for Vernon. Really. I mean, she was the one instigating that whole thing because I think Hope just loves drama in her relationship. There’s just something about it that she enjoys. So she was making this whole thing up. There was something about it that was tantalizing, I think, to Hope, to have this kind of fake rivalry, but then she really did come around to the fact that this is a human being. [Muriel] may have been an actress, [and] she may seem superficial, but [Hope] should not play with this woman’s feelings this way. Out of guilt from her actions, she has tried to befriend Muriel, and then suddenly along the way, she realizes they have a lot in common. She really likes her.
I wanted to ask you about filming the scene between Hope and Lilly in the garden, which is so beautiful and really gives those two women a sense of closure. We don’t really know if it’s a vision, or a spiritual experience. Does anything stand out in your mind about filming that moment on the day with Lynda?
Like you say, whatever it is, it doesn’t matter. Is it a dream? Is it a real visitation? This woman’s had a brain injury, so it could be anything. It does serve to certainly… not close it, but to heal it a bit, the fact that Hope didn’t get to be there, didn’t get to say goodbye — and mostly not just to Lilly, but in the town, get to be part of this town’s grief over one of their treasured community members. This community garden is going to play a part later in the next season, about being a special place in the town, so that it happened there is really lovely.
You hinted at this earlier, with getting to see more of Hope in her mayoral duties in Season 5. Is there anything else that you can tease for fans about where Hope is, and what she’ll be facing?
O’TOOLE: Well, she’s getting better. From the outside, she will eventually, down the road, seem like Hope again, be our crazy Hope we like. But I think she’s always, always going to be dealing with issues from this injury. It was a very bad injury and she was older when it happened, so her healing process is not as great as she wants it to be. It’ll always be a source of frustration to her, but that’s good. She needs a source of frustration. She’s always running on empty and there’s always something to be done and somewhere to go, so it serves her.
Well, personally, like Hope, I’m always here for the drama, so I’m looking forward to the show coming back. But it has been such a pleasure talking with you, picking your brain about some scenes, getting your insight, and I’m so glad that you’re back on the show now and can’t wait to see what comes up in Season 5.
O’TOOLE: Me too. I’m very excited because we don’t get the scripts much before we do them. So it’s fun, it’s always fresh. Hope’s world is opening up more after her injury, so she’s getting to be in the community more and work with other actors, not just poor Tim who’s been in the saddle with me all the time. It’s going to be a bigger opening-up season for not just Hope, but I think for everyone.
I’m so grateful for this amazing reception that the show has got. I thought it would do well, but I had no idea, and it’s wonderful. That’s why it’s so important to all of the actors and certainly the writers and the producers, to make it as good as it can be. We’re really committed to that, so it’s just hopefully going to get better and better.


